Overall Concern

Just have to put this out there.

This is a serious post, honestly, please do not post any spam or bullshit on here, I want to keep to strictly on topic.

Anyways, I will get right to it, I think that the new forums is the beginning of a fast approaching end for THC. We have not gotten any new members for a long time now, and a large number of our members are very inactive these days. Even the number of posts on THIS forum has rapidly decreased lately.

Voicing my opinion out loud, I think that this will be the final thing that simply pushes this clan into an inactive slump, and because of that slump, the moderators, or whoever truly makes the decisions for this clan will end it.

Call me crazy but I don't want this clan to die out.. I used to really enjoy playing with you fuckers, constantly joking around and having fun. Now, no one is doing anything about our dead hosties server. I hear from one person that only Acetech can change the server mods, the other tells me psych9z can as well, anyways nothing is getting done. Mini-games needs some map updates, but who cares right? All we are doing is addressing the issues, and since I have no power to do anything about it, I am stuck doing that too.

I won't make another post like this again. I have constantly tried to offer whatever I can to this clan, whether that be contributing ideas on the forums, or watching over the servers to make sure everyone is playing by our rules, but there is nothing else I can do.

This is not a quitting post, I am not leaving. I am just giving my final thought on what is going to happen if nothing is actually DONE about our clan's problems.

I can change the servers any way you like, but I can not make them anything outside of CSS. So I can make a reg css, Gungame, deathmatch, surfing RPG, anything like that but only acetech can change it from css to L4D or TF2.

Also your telling me the problems and your not telling me any new maps to put on or anything like that. let me know what maps and Ill put them on. Just give me the links.

The issue you just said DannyBoy has been in everyones thoughts all along.

Things need a change, thc needs a change of scenery, lets say another mod or even another game server for like tf2 or l4d or kf or ...

Jwall has said this a while ago, that the clan needed changes and was going downhill.
Lets put aside the differences we have with Jwall, he was right all along, everyone knew it but wouldn't face that truth just yet.

I don't know where this clan is going, i'm not leaving either but you are right that the server(s) need a big ass change if we want to survive.

Best thing is to start from scrap imo.

We'll see what happens.

Well if I knew it was as simple as that I thought have sent you a private message a long time ago..

We did have a vote to see what most people in the clan wanted hosties to be changed to, I believe it was reg.

As for some maps for mini games, I think there should be a separate topic where others can give some maps, so it is not just maps that I would like.

I'd personally love to see mg_hellz_multigame added to the server, because it is quite a popular map.

DannyBoy wrote:

We did have a vote to see what most people in the clan wanted hosties to be changed to, I believe it was reg.

Regular css..? With that crapserver? Or gungame?

Server sucks in shot reg remember?

Surf would be cool but theres so many damn servers that have it.

Reg and reversed gg ftw

FlashHopper wrote:

DannyBoy wrote:

We did have a vote to see what most people in the clan wanted hosties to be changed to, I believe it was reg.

Regular css..? With that crapserver? Or gungame?

Server sucks in shot reg remember?

Surf would be cool but theres so many damn servers that have it.

Reg and reversed gg ftw

Just referring back to what most people chose.. Anyways, I've gotten used to the crappy reg on ALL servers, not just ours, so I wouldn't mind a reg server or a gun game (hopefully deathmatch, regular gungame sucks horribly in my opinion)

DannyBoy wrote:

FlashHopper wrote:

DannyBoy wrote:

We did have a vote to see what most people in the clan wanted hosties to be changed to, I believe it was reg.

Regular css..? With that crapserver? Or gungame?

Server sucks in shot reg remember?

Surf would be cool but theres so many damn servers that have it.

Reg and reversed gg ftw

Just referring back to what most people chose.. Anyways, I've gotten used to the crappy reg on ALL servers, not just ours, so I wouldn't mind a reg server or a gun game (hopefully deathmatch, regular gungame sucks horribly in my opinion)

True, i would visit the server more if i knew it was a reversed gungame deathmatch ^^ or just reg gg dm :p

zombie would be a amazing boost for this clan. People love zombie, it could be zombie escape, or zombie survival. i wouldnt want a reg or gungame server. to me that gets boring pretty quick. but its not my decision.

waffles wrote:

zombie would be a amazing boost for this clan. People love zombie, it could be zombie escape, or zombie survival. i wouldnt want a reg or gungame server. to me that gets boring pretty quick. but its not my decision.

1. There are to many zombiemod servers out there to compete with.
2. You need a decent server machine to co-op with the mod (zombiemod = more cpu usage) and the current machine can't support it i think .
3. You need an upgrade of computer slots as well as no one plays zombie mod with 20 slots, 50 is the best to aim at, at least 38slots to begin with.
4. You have the better games that are based on zombiemod, for example l4d, l4d2, dead rising, etc...

No point in making it a zombie server imo.

EDIT: No offence but i think no elite will even take the time to make it a serious zombiemod server anyway, making different zombieclasses, getting different skins for human and zombie, get different maps, use a propmenu, etc...

Starting a zombiemod server takes time.
Finetuning a decent zombiemod server takes ages and i don't see ANY elite spending so much time anymore on the server (again no offence but its the truth).

FlashHopper wrote:

Chainzaw wrote:

150 ping, 66tic reg...woundn't think so!

Zombie mod ftw.

Ping = you can get used to it, i used to play with 200 and i played normal without any problems.
66tic = not a big issue, its just a little bit more laggy
Shot register = there is the problem, most people will get mad and leave anyway.




Oh and i voted reg css

A quick look into the past flash. Just saying man, you voted for it too.

You can take the Clan out of Hosties, but you can't take the Hosties out the Clan.

While I of course have no business in any of this, I only wish to help the Clan whether you believe it or not. I don't wish to start a flame war, I don't wish for the clan to die and I don't think anyone else does.

But repeating what I have said previously, and including some more:

Foundation - Why would you want to get rid of the server that this Clan was built upon? Without Hosties there'd be no Hostie Horde, no The Horde, and thus you'd all be elsewhere!
Leadership - It is poor right now, no offence to AceTech and I understand life comes first. But a leader should try to play sometimes, even if it's just for 5 minutes to say; "hello I care about the Clan".
Activity - It's all good and well you want the Clan to stay alive. But be honest, do any of you even play? I don't really think anyone has a say on Activity if you're not even trying yourself. To get people to play you need to do the same.
Money/Donations - An important matter for a Gaming Clan/Community. Servers, Domains, Hosting, TeamSpeak Servers and much more all cost money! $5/£5/€5 can go a very long way to help pay for things, I know some people are already. But if you really care, maybe more should. Just remember a donation is optional.
Power - Too many people have power. And what is this... nearly none of them play! Administrative privileges are to be earned, not bought or given away freely. It is not a right to have the ability to ban, kick and do more to people.
Respect - It seems to be very low in this Clan for some people. Not naming names - but not respecting yourself or others won't get you far in life or in a decent Gaming Clan/Community.

This post isn't directed to anyone in particular unless I have mentioned their name. And like I said, I don't wish to cause any trouble. Merely stating what I think. There's some stuff I left out - but I consider all this important.

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DannyBoy wrote:

I'd personally love to see mg_hellz_multigame added to the server, because it is quite a popular map.

Before the CS:S Update that was on the MiniGames Server - then it got broken quite badly I believe. And Psych just hated the Star Wars Disco room so he got rid of it.

While I was in the Clan, I was helping Psych with the servers, I was sorting out the mods for him and doing pretty much whatever he asked me to. Hell - him and Creamy both wanted me to get the FTP because they were both too lazy, all they needed was AceTech to approve it.

J Wall wrote:

You can take the Clan out of Hosties, but you can't take the Hosties out the Clan.

While I of course have no business in any of this, I only wish to help the Clan whether you believe it or not. I don't wish to start a flame war, I don't wish for the clan to die and I don't think anyone else does.

But repeating what I have said previously, and including some more:

Foundation - Why would you want to get rid of the server that this Clan was built upon? Without Hosties there'd be no Hostie Horde, no The Horde, and thus you'd all be elsewhere!
Leadership - It is poor right now, no offence to AceTech and I understand life comes first. But a leader should try to play sometimes, even if it's just for 5 minutes to say; "hello I care about the Clan".
Activity - It's all good and well you want the Clan to stay alive. But be honest, do any of you even play? I don't really think anyone has a say on Activity if you're not even trying yourself. To get people to play you need to do the same.
Money/Donations - An important matter for a Gaming Clan/Community. Servers, Domains, Hosting, TeamSpeak Servers and much more all cost money! $5/£5/€5 can go a very long way to help pay for things, I know some people are already. But if you really care, maybe more should. Just remember a donation is optional.
Power - Too many people have power. And what is this... nearly none of them play! Administrative privileges are to be earned, not bought or given away freely. It is not a right to have the ability to ban, kick and do more to people.
Respect - It seems to be very low in this Clan for some people. Not naming names - but not respecting yourself or others won't get you far in life or in a decent Gaming Clan/Community.

This post isn't directed to anyone in particular unless I have mentioned their name. And like I said, I don't wish to cause any trouble. Merely stating what I think. There's some stuff I left out - but I consider all this important.

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DannyBoy wrote:

I'd personally love to see mg_hellz_multigame added to the server, because it is quite a popular map.

Before the CS:S Update that was on the MiniGames Server - then it got broken quite badly I believe. And Psych just hated the Star Wars Disco room so he got rid of it.

While I was in the Clan, I was helping Psych with the servers, I was sorting out the mods for him and doing pretty much whatever he asked me to. Hell - him and Creamy both wanted me to get the FTP because they were both too lazy, all they needed was AceTech to approve it.

i agree with u and i agree even more with the respect and admin prilvilages. most admins dont respect any of the members( not nameing names) and can be a huge ass most of the the time. and for admin prilvileges ,THC has the stupid rule "you can't have admin or be a good admin if you dont have a mic" ive seen so many admins without mics that do a better job then people with mics and most of the normal members play more then the admins. I know some person is gonna say ur power hungry and i want admin. no im not power hungry i dont give a fuck if i get admin or not.

How about the removal of some underplayed minigame maps as well? That way the server might be able to host more new maps that we could find. I can assure you that I can list all of the maps that are fucking lame/No one likes from minigames.

I'll spare you the quote, but this ones a reply to your post Jwall.

I don't know if anyone is aware, but there are members that try and try and try and try over and over to get both the hosties and mini games server populated, it is easier said than done.

Multiple people have said "no one will join a server without people in it"; then why does mini games almost ALWAYS have multiple people in it recently? Simply, because people still enjoy the mod.

Hosties on the other hand, has sadly lost most if not all of its popularity, and it sucks to say this Jwall, but yes, I think more than enough effort has been put into it, and it is time to give it up.

Points taken regarding respect and power, but before that is worked on, we need to bring life back into the servers, then face the issues of our current clan members.

Also, Adrian brings up a good point. A lot of the maps in the mini games server are simply never played, because they're pretty boring. When I have the time tomorrow, I will come up with a list of the maps that I think should be removed, as well as a list of maps I think should be added.

DannyBoy wrote:

I'll spare you the quote, but this ones a reply to your post Jwall.

I don't know if anyone is aware, but there are members that try and try and try and try over and over to get both the hosties and mini games server populated, it is easier said than done.

Multiple people have said "no one will join a server without people in it"; then why does mini games almost ALWAYS have multiple people in it recently? Simply, because people still enjoy the mod.

Hosties on the other hand, has sadly lost most if not all of its popularity, and it sucks to say this Jwall, but yes, I think more than enough effort has been put into it, and it is time to give it up.

Points taken regarding respect and power, but before that is worked on, we need to bring life back into the servers, then face the issues of our current clan members.

Also, Adrian brings up a good point. A lot of the maps in the mini games server are simply never played, because they're pretty boring. When I have the time tomorrow, I will come up with a list of the maps that I think should be removed, as well as a list of maps I think should be added.

I agree with alot of what you said, and i think i will add my voice to this.

One thing i think we should do is tell people in the Minigames server about our Hosties server and all the stuff you do on it.

If Hosties doesn't keep up, then we should cut it off. Now i know Hosties is the soul of the clan, but times change and I think we should.

No we don't need to change games, But we do need to change one of the mods, and I vote for the less popular one.

Respect around here is low, Yes, i'm not one to talk ever since me and killer fought, and to be honest, I will not be sorry. My respect for him has gone over my limit. But I do hold respect for everyone else who try to make this clan work.

Well, thats all i can think of.

My biggest overall concern about this clan failing is the amount of maturity being taken by the members. Have you noticed that more than half of the people in this clan aren't even 18 yet? I'm including myself on the not over 18 part. But at least have the decency to show some maturity. Think about it, why would anyone want to join a clan that's abundant with little kids who don't take matters seriously and always look to other people to fix the problem. I, for one, am tired of the lack of maturity in this clan and I wish to rid of anyone who shows no contribution, no effort and no MATURITY.

Adrian wrote:

My biggest overall concern about this clan failing is the amount of maturity being taken by the members. Have you noticed that more than half of the people in this clan aren't even 18 yet? I'm including myself on the not over 18 part. But at least have the decency to show some maturity. Think about it, why would anyone want to join a clan that's abundant with little kids who don't take matters seriously and always look to other people to fix the problem. I, for one, am tired of the lack of maturity in this clan and I wish to rid of anyone who shows no contribution, no effort and no MATURITY.

I know we all have our side that makes us act like a child, I still do, but I do agree with you 110% all the way.

My input...

I think it all came to down the abundance of accepted apps that shouldnt of been accepted that led to drama. And when drama starts people tend to leave. Not to be rude or anything but i'm pretty sure i've been apart of this community alot longer than any of ya'll. And i think removing Hosties will put a final end to the clan. Also a new site will just lead to more people becoming more inactive. People will be to lazy to go make a new account. I've tryed on multiple occasions to populate the server but noone ever comes after i invite them. I go down my whole friends list and even the community group and i invite everyone. To get this back we need a good leadership and a constant server with members in it.

Taylor

This clan was based upon the hosties server. I have not been here since the begininng, but I have been here a really long time. I joined this clan because of the hosties server. Yes, the server is never populated, but I would hate to see that server go.

If we do get a different mod, I personally would like deathrun.

I agree with Taylor completety, we accepted so many applications in a such a short period of time, we never actually processed what the people would do, or how they would contribute to the clan. We, myself included, voted yes on people we should have never let in. I'm not saying we should regret our decisions we made at that time, but we should at least look back and learn from that.

I also agree with Adrian, the maturity level of this clan is so low, it's not even funny. I'm not 18 either, I joined this clan when I was 16, and people know I have never acted immaturely. Some people just don't know when to shut up and stop. I gained trust in this clan, and showed maturity, and I believe that is why I am the rank I am right now.

We have to actually do something about it. How's that saying go? Oh yeah, "Actions speak louder than words."

Well I joined about 2-3 years ago, then when I was finally a part of the clan, I was put onto hiatus due to severe technical problems. Back then, it was all mature people playing hosties and to be honest, everyone loved it. We used to joke back and forth not about some stupid shit, but actually joke around. The clanmembers were also very kind and not immature in any way. I wish we had members like this today. Members who are kind to newcomers and help them to play, while being very funny and make people want to cling onto the server. Too bad, all we have are immature kids who don't know where their places are and cause too much drama amongst ourselves.

tl;dr : REMOVE INACTIVE/IMMATURE/UNWELCOMING MEMBERS.

Adrian wrote:

Well I joined about 2-3 years ago, then when I was finally a part of the clan, I was put onto hiatus due to severe technical problems. Back then, it was all mature people playing hosties and to be honest, everyone loved it. We used to joke back and forth not about some stupid shit, but actually joke around. The clanmembers were also very kind and not immature in any way. I wish we had members like this today. Members who are kind to newcomers and help them to play, while being very funny and make people want to cling onto the server. Too bad, all we have are immature kids who don't know where their places are and cause too much drama amongst ourselves.

tl;dr : REMOVE INACTIVE/IMMATURE/UNWELCOMING MEMBERS.

I agree a 100% with you. And i hope i was one of those members. And i'm sorry if i wasn't

TaylorSwift wrote:

Adrian wrote:

Well I joined about 2-3 years ago, then when I was finally a part of the clan, I was put onto hiatus due to severe technical problems. Back then, it was all mature people playing hosties and to be honest, everyone loved it. We used to joke back and forth not about some stupid shit, but actually joke around. The clanmembers were also very kind and not immature in any way. I wish we had members like this today. Members who are kind to newcomers and help them to play, while being very funny and make people want to cling onto the server. Too bad, all we have are immature kids who don't know where their places are and cause too much drama amongst ourselves.

tl;dr : REMOVE INACTIVE/IMMATURE/UNWELCOMING MEMBERS.

I agree a 100% with you. And i hope i was one of those members. And i'm sorry if i wasn't

Everyone was cool back then, even fluffy if you could believe it.

Adrian wrote:

TaylorSwift wrote:

Adrian wrote:

Well I joined about 2-3 years ago, then when I was finally a part of the clan, I was put onto hiatus due to severe technical problems. Back then, it was all mature people playing hosties and to be honest, everyone loved it. We used to joke back and forth not about some stupid shit, but actually joke around. The clanmembers were also very kind and not immature in any way. I wish we had members like this today. Members who are kind to newcomers and help them to play, while being very funny and make people want to cling onto the server. Too bad, all we have are immature kids who don't know where their places are and cause too much drama amongst ourselves.

tl;dr : REMOVE INACTIVE/IMMATURE/UNWELCOMING MEMBERS.

I agree a 100% with you. And i hope i was one of those members. And i'm sorry if i wasn't

Everyone was cool back then, even fluffy if you could believe it.

Dude Fluffy was the coolest. I still talk to her too. But hey lets stay on topic

After some looking...

http://www.gametracker.com/search/css/?search_by=map&query=hosties_
http://www.gametracker.com/search/css/?search_by=map&query=jail_

TH appears to be the only server apart from i3D to have a Hosties server now. Support was also dropped for Hosties on EventScripts as far as I know. So... maybe it is time to actually move on, or of course there's the possibility of SourceMod Hosties:

http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=985294

I'm Special wrote:

This clan was based upon the hosties server. I have not been here since the begininng, but I have been here a really long time. I joined this clan because of the hosties server. Yes, the server is never populated, but I would hate to see that server go.

I don't understand what the point of having a mod on a server is if no one is going to play it. Yes, I understand that the clan was built upon it and that's how it started. But, as you said, that's how it started. You have to let go of the past eventually.

Sure, I remember a time when we all played hosties (all being Acetech as well). But no one plays it anymore. We are (or at least I am) tired of the same "crouch don't move".